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it's astonishing to watch wyll get sidelined when he and shadowheart (and arguably lae'zel) are both integral to the story. his dad is a main plot point for fuck's sake.
i love larian but this is deeply disappointing.
NOT THE ATTACK LMAO
Wyll being the youngest of the guys is funny to me
OH HE'S SO PRETTY
The way I SCREAMED at that last one oh my gods Wyll I love you so much ;w;
* In conversation with Wyll about his plans once the Brain is defeated *
Tav: there’s more to your plans than you’re letting on, isn’t there?
Wyll: Yes, there is. I will be hunting Mizora.
Mizora, standing next to him: …
bg3 romance woes
just got the scene with talking to Gale under the night sky in act 2 (beautiful scenery btw) and GOD. HOW in the HELLS am I supposed to romance anyone BUT him now??!
On the other hand, I want to romance Astarion and as much as I CAN NOT for the life of me find it easy to reject Gale, hurting Astarion in any way, shape or form would immediately reduce me to a pathetic puddle of tears.
WHY can I not romance both of them UGGHHH this is torture.
not to mention the fact that I have the hots for like EVERY romancable AND unromancable npc in this GODDAMN game.
like Lae’zel (she’s so endearing for some reason what the hell??), KARLACH oh my GOD (Shadowheart knows what’s up, I NEED her to carry me and OMG she calls herself Mama K I CAN’T), Wyll ugggghh (he’s underrated and I WON’T stand for it) Shadowheart (fuck, god’s favorite emo princess I love her so muchhhh). That motherfucker HALSIN (what a HUNK of an elf they had NO RIGHT making him so glorious) even Minthara who I finally got in Act 2 now.
and when it comes to the UNROMANCABLE people. Don't even get me STARTED. Raphael you god damn majestic asshole. Haarlep (I’d feed him, that’s all I’ll say about the matter), Alfira (the REAL reason why I’ll never do a Durge playthrough, I CAN NOT ever lay a finger on her). Larkrissa (I love her and Alfira plus them TOGETHER so fucking much), ROLAN (stupid prickly wizard), Dammon (he’s just SO everything, don’t make me explain, I’ll go on and on for hours)
this game is a bisexual NIGHTMARE and on one hand I LIVE for it, on the other, I’d like to sue
Things Wyll says
Wyll with a wide smile and a warm look in his eye, greeting “Ah, there you are. I was hoping you'd make your way over. How are you, my friend?”
Wyll, holding the shabby wood doors open for you, bowing his head and politely offering, "After you, my friend."
Wyll with his gaze on the ground, shyly chuckling “You flatter me too much. I am not the gentleman I once was.”
Wyll hitting your enemy with an eldritch blast, shouting “Stay calm, I’m coming for you!”
Wyll cradling you against him as the healing potion takes effect, whispering into your hair, “Breath easy. It’s not your time. It’s not your time.”
Wyll tracing his thumb across your cheek bone, grinning “May I kiss you again?”
Wyll grasping your hand when it reaches for his horns, choking back “please…I don’t want to hurt you.”
Wyll crying when you assure him that he could never hurt you and plant light kisses on his forehead.
Wyll whimpering slightly when you grip his horns, tilt his head back, and dive into a passionate kiss.
Wyll admitting "I don't know what awaits us in Baldur's Gate but whatever it is, know that I will always have your back."
Wyll sipping his wine with a smirk and a heat in his gaze, lightly teasing, "you find me devilishly handsome?"
Wyll wrapping his arm around your waist, his hold firm and steady, introducing you to his father, “Father this is the love of my life, y/n.”
Wyll with tears brimming his eyes as he kneels down on one knee before you, asking “My love, will you marry me?”
real men let their bros have a little squeeze
based on this tweet
Wyll, my beloved, for the V-day Echoes of Devotion charity zine on bsky I participated in a while ago! You can find the full zine on the Last Light Inn bsky.
![An Eve Of Frivolity [Erik (Tav) & Wyll Ravengard]](https://64.media.tumblr.com/30be5317575432ab520afcdc6bd106f2/c15e8846fdadaac7-5c/s500x750/1b6c5fa7bd9983d382d8bcf2f8864869d2487d4f.jpg)
An Eve of Frivolity [Erik (Tav) & Wyll Ravengard]
A last minute decision to join in on Redelice's BG3 Halloween Ball event with Erik & Wyll~
As my first BG3 romance and full campaign, they deserved it! Also in time for Wyllvember! Love these boys so much~
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It's been a while since this meme came up and it took longer than expected (as always), but I just had to do it. X3
Unfortunately not all romanceable characters fit on it and I'm so sorry for Wyll, but Halsin just had to be included... for Yasha, obviously! êwê
But there are still a few ideas for a second menu page. X> (With all the possibilities that Larian denies us.) Thanks for this marvellous game! ♥ The Meme:
just look at this happy warlock! <3
Again with poor Wyll:
I was randomly reminded of this scene the other day and how you have the option of talking Wyll down from wanting to kill Mizora. It's framed as a good thing, like you're steering him away from a dark path of digging two graves, but is that really what this is? I think he has every right to want to kill her (monster hunter that he is), not just for himself, but to protect anyone else she'd take advantage of and hurt in the future. I understand that what this line is saying is us telling him that he might do more good in taking on enemies as needed rather than putting all this time into a single target, but if that's the case I don't like how it's phrased.
I get that Wyll is the most morally righteous of the companions, and being driven by revenge isn't exactly a good thing, but he has every right to want it. She forced him into a slavery contract, directly violated his bodily integrity at least twice, supported the death of the most important person in his life, and has been mentally tormenting him all the while.
Wyll is absolutely the type to fight out of love and the desire to protect rather than to hurt and avenge, yes. But I still think it's really condescending to tell him "revenge is bad", when (to my memory), we never tell Astarion that wanting revenge on Cazador is wrong. And Shadowheart taking out the Sharrans is seen as a grim and unfortunate but necessary public service. Even with Karlach, I think the most we say about her wanting end Gortash is "let's wait and be smart about this" (if you're planning to kill him at all, that is). Either this is another example of Wyll not getting the same treatment as other characters (and dare I say, being reductive of his trauma), or I'm just projecting. Maybe I'm misreading this whole thing — let me know.
But telling him to "let it go" is kind of wild no matter how you look at it.
(to be clear I don't think murder and revenge are "good" things. But killing devils seems to be framed as like killing a monster rather than a person, and even then, killing people is commonplace in this game. I'm just saying the morality should be consistent.)
Just a take on Wyll's transformation (spoilers)
Can we talk about how when Mizora turns Wyll into his devil-ish form as a punishment... it's like really messed up? I get that it could have been much worse, but she literally violated his body irrevocably. Not for the first time. I'd probably have a panic attack if my body suddenly changed like that. Not to mention that him now looking this way is kind of devastating to the heroic, evil-fighting image he wants to present. It's like Mizora saying smugly: "who will look at you and think you're a hero when you look like *this*?" Because she knows how deep that would cut for him.
I've talked about this before, but I wish Wyll was allowed to have more moments that show that he's hurting, and I wish that his reaction to the transformation had more emphasis. Honestly his interaction at the Tiefling party is kind of heartbreaking. He basically says "you go on and enjoy the party without me. I'd just bring everyone down". Just another example of him keeping his feelings neatly tucked away for the sake of others. Wyll is going through so much in act 1 but it's portrayed so subtly compared to other characters that I think people overlook it.
An exhaustive list of everything wrong with Wyll:
He likes clowns
Nothing else
He was mean to Astarion a few times but we can forgive him for that
What I wish happened in Wyll's storyline (bg3 spoilers)
I know a lot of people have already talked about how there was a lot of missed potential with Wyll, but I think that one thing would make his storyline a lot more engaging and compelling. Wyll is a pretty soft and emotional person, and though he definitely puts up a front (everyone does), I still wish we got to see him have some more raw emotional moments. Especially during his scene where he chooses between breaking his pact or not. If he chooses to essentially doom his father in order to break the pact, he gets upset, yes, but I wish it went further. It's clear that when you talk to him afterward he’s putting on a brave face in order to soldier on, but I really wish we got to see him have his breaking point like the other characters do. I want to see him scream at Mizora and cry over his father’s imminent death. I just wish we got to see more of that from him, because it felt like his emotional response was a bit underwhelming for the weight of the situation. Tell me if I'm wrong and missing some scenes or something (admittedly I haven’t romanced Wyll yet)
About Wyll and his horns
Well, let's say I was writing a part of my Tav's story with Wyll directly connected to the dialogue he has during the tiefling party, and while struggling with this bit, I've realized there's quite a few misconceptions floating around. I felt compelled to add information to the table that might clear them, so here we go.
First, what exactly happens to Wyll when he disobeys Mizora in act one? Well, he doesn't get turned into a devil, he certainly doesn't get turned into a tiefling, he's not a half fiend, not a demon, none of that. Wyll stays human, but he has horns and red eyes (and other features we can't see on his model as of now).
(Everyone has their race listed, Wyll's remains "Human")
This is because when a warlock fails to uphold some part of their contract they can suffer a certain number of consequences, Wylls is “The character grows horns, a tail, or some other devilish features that can't be removed by any means short of divine intervention. As long as these marks persist the character detects as a fiend when subjected to Detect Evil and Good spells or similar magic.” ( from Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, page 214)
And I’ve come across some people that think it wasn’t so bad of a punishment, that he was being racist towards the tieflings, or just not being justified in being upset after having his body forcibly changed against his will. I think they are missunderstanding just how insidious Mizora’s actions were, and here I just want to give some context to maybe bring a better understanding to the situation. Your conclusions are up to you.
Gonna start by using a not exact analogy, but I think it’s going to make the explanation easier. Stick with me for a minute.
Remember Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean? He had a branded “P” on his arm that marked him as a pirate. A murderer, robber, criminal, etc. in the eyes of the society he was a part of. What did Jack do to earn the branding? (if you don’t know this I suggest you look up the “people aren’t cargo mate” scene) He refused to transport slaves and later freed them, and Beckett had him marked as punishment.
Then, in the first movie, he saves Elizabeth, a woman he didn’t know, from drowning. Right after however, when Norrington sees he has a branded “P”, he’s like “alright, off to jail with you, and then hanging”, no other option crosses his mind. Again, Jack doesn’t know Elizabeth, isn’t indicated to think he is going to be rewarded for helping her, he just sees a drowning person, sees that no one else is going to help, and chooses to save them. That is a pretty selfless/good aligned thing to do, for no other reason that he was the one able to do it, yet the branding in his arm overrides any good action he could ever do, marking him as a criminal for execution and no further thought.
In a way, that’s what Mizora did to Wyll; she forever visibly branded him as someone that has made deals with devils, and that in the world of DnD is a VERY BAD THING. And I really like the mod that gives him more devilish features, don't get me wrong, but I think there was something clever about choosing to leave him looking more human. He can’t be confused with a tiefling, he doesn’t have the ears, the claws, the tail, all those features that characterize them. He looks kind of uncanny, and that would be like a red flag for anyone in that world. (Beyond the already existing hate for tieflings that I’m not gonna tackle on here because it’s a complicated thing that deserves its own post). And Wyll wants to do good, he wants to help people, to be a positive force in the world so, so badly. This dude got abducted by a nautiloid, got tadpole’d, and the first thing he did right after that was come across the Tiefling refugees and be like “Oh you need help? No worries let me teach you self defense. Oh you being attacked by goblins? Let me blast them real quick”. His way of saying fuck you to all the awful things that have happened to him is being aggressively good and kind. Mizora knows this very well, wants to see him suffer for her amusement, wants to remind him he can't escape her claws, so her choice of punishment was to forever taint his future interactions with mistrust and suspicion. Some people can go real fast from “oh thank God they saved me” to “oh no, are they gonna rob me, are they trying to trick me, are they in cahoots with the ones that attacked me first?” just because of outward appearances. Especially in DnD world. And that deserves its own conversation, but we're focusing on Wyll here.
(Mizora, when I catch you Mizora)
“Well, maybe he shouldn’t have made a deal in the first plac- - “ He was seventeen, alone, preyed upon by Mizora and put in an impossible situation. Please PAY ATTENTION to the story you’re witnesing.
Anyway.
About the tieflings. I know it’s easy to think his words can be derisive towards them, but it’s less about the horns and more about his body being changed against his will. Imagine instead that he got half his face burned, or something that disfigured him. I think his feelings at the moment were closer to that, and yeah they are pretty insensitive words to say to someone with a similar condition (horns or disfiguration), but when feelings are fresh and raw like that it’s easy to say insensitive things. Not saying it was ok for him to say those things, but ther was no malice in his words. I’ve also seen some people share that they think Mizora wanted to change him more to make him unrecognizable to his original self, the Wyll Ravenguard kid, and I think there is some truth to that too. She wants to make sure that Wyll remembers that he belongs to her, there's no question to that.
(MIZORA, WHEN I CATCH YOU MIZORA)
Whether the Tieflings refugees would feel unsettled by Wyll or not? Yes. In a way, they would. From reasons aside from the ones I explained above, remember that these specific tieflings come from Elturel. If you didn’t pass the History check or don’t remember, Elturel is a city that was literally ripped from the land and dragged to Avernus, First layer of hell (it left a hole on the ground and everything) because their mayor made a deal with the Archdevil Zariel some decades back in the timeline. He sold the souls of all its citizens and the city itself.
This was probably one of the worst times of their lives. Some even got captured and forced to participate in the blood War, like Dammon as a mechanic. And after Elturel got returned to the surface, the tieflings lost their homes because they reminded the other citizens of the literal Hell they’d just gone through, and they kicked them out. And remember, they met and saw Wyll as a human, and then saw him with horns. It’s not unreasonable to think that by looking at him they would be reminded of all the events that led them to the awful situation they’re in. Because of someone that was making deals with devils, just like Wyll. Even if his situation is completely different. And Wyll knows that, that’s why he tells you the tieflings are unsettled by him and chooses to stay away during the party.
It was never just about the horns.
And I know Wyll calls himself a devil but I think it’s because it’s the closest thing he looks as; devils are a whole different race with their own intricacies, although humans can be turned into devils ONCE their souls go to Avernus and they start climbing the power hierarchy there (Mizora and Raphael are cambions/ half-devils btw, which is a different thing, there are plenty of videos exploring those details more in depth).
Do I think Larian should have made some of this information clearer/easier to access? Maybe? but to be fair, it's a game focused and dedicated to a crowd that was already somewhat familiar with the source material, that blew up waay out of what they originally expected to reach. Hopefully they’ll add some clarifications like they did to other quests.
Anyway these are my two cents to the conversation, have a nice day, and don't hesitate to add your two cents if you feel like it!
So, I’m currently playing my Wyll Romance run in BG3 and I had no idea just how dirty they did my man! I want more! So much more!
I want to console Wyll when his father gets tadpoled. I want to stroll with him through the streets of the Gate when we first arrive there. I want to reassure him that his devil form doesn’t take away his worth. I want to sleep with him beneath the stars - give me a spicy scene! Not the PG13 shit you actually get.
Wyll had such a big story, yet Larian does nothing with it. Meanwhile Astarion, whose story is not elemental to the main plot at all, gets an abundance of extra scenes. And don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love Astarion and his story, but seeing how little effort was put into the Wyll Romance Arc breaks my heart.
Honestly, there was so much potential. I want more Wyll content!
"I’m a feminist but" *insert picture of man* this
"I’m a feminist but" *insert picture of man* that
I’m a feminist AND
who are you dancing with at the flower dance
The disapointement I feel each time I spam talk to Wyll and no new dialogue appears even though I did absolutely nothing to trigger it
a quick dash of a drawing for wyll week: flowers featuring wyll troubled with hanahaki disease due to one particular well coiffed rogue. an untraditional bouquet for their romance features:
wallflower for faithfulness in adversity
southernwood for constancy and jest
just a few hyacinth leaves and individual flowers for a touch of sport, playfulness, and rashness
and of course, sweet william for gallantry
EDIT: astarion now has a companion piece!
